Alphapuggle PieFedEV Tax Credit Ending Dec. 31, Effectively Increasing Prices Up to 28% in USA. See How Popular EVs are Impacted.
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TL;DR: EV cars & SUVs will face an average 16% effective price increase, with the lowest cost model up more than 28%, if the law passes the Senate and goes into effect as written.
It's hard to imagine any way this doesn't throw a huge wrench into the adoption of sustainable car technology for the USA.
Only about 8% of new cars sold last year in the USA were electric, compared to 13% for the EU or 25% for China. Seems like exactly the wrong moment to cut tax incentives for the tech.
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Now i can afford one even less. Yay /s
I'm wondering if they'll finally offer a real base model, with knobs and buttons for climate controls instead of a giant tablet in the dash. If they want to make them affordable they can.
Yes, because it’s the lack of knobs and buttons making EVs expensive. /s
No, unnecessary tech and luxury features make evs expensive. They're marketed as luxury cars.
I was wondering if automakers thought the market would be shinking to an untenable point. Perhaps then they would decide to pivot and market them to a larger, lower income market. That would like include said knobs.
jqubedChevy Bolt was like that and started under $30k. Equinox is like that too. I’m probably in the market this fall and it’s definitely on my list. My only knocks against it are they got rid of Android Auto/Apple CarPlay (although it does have access to some apps from the Google Play store, so maybe not as big of a deal unless you want to de-Google) and the 0-60 time is not as good as the similarly-priced EV6/Ioniq 5. DC fast charging speed is also slower than the latter, but probably acceptable given how rarely I expect to use that.
Knobs and buttons are nowadays similar in cost to just plonking in a screen and putting all the controls there. That is why manufacturers are doing it not just because it 'feels premium'.
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I've never worked for an auto maker. I am a computer engineer (BS in Electrical and Computer engineering) though. While earning my degree I developed the hardware and software that served as a battery management computer in an electric car for a student competition. I currently write software tools for hardware engineering.
I say all that to say this: on the BOM, yes, a touch screen may be cheaper. However, you cannot even complete the BOM for discrete components without doing at least a MVP sort of UI development pass. With a touch screen, you can just do the physical design around it, and kick the UI design can down the road.
All kinds of fuckery can happen from there, including understaffing development of UI, poor quality control of code, and just plain inexperienced decisions in a relatively new landscape for many software developers. 'Just turn it on and off' isn't an option for your dashboard when it goes blank at 70mph on the highway.
Just give me reliable knobs and dials. This is a machine, not jewelry.
BagginsIn the USA. Not everywhere else.
Ope, right you are. I do American auto news, still figuring out how geography works on Fedia. Let me tweak that, make it more obvious.
I think repealing the credit may not raise the price very much. If the government is offering a credit, wouldn't sellers simply raise their price to absorb the credit while the buyer thinks they're getting a deal? Without the credit, sellers may be motivated to reduce the price while still making money on the sale.
I saw this in action when I purchased a used EV recently. My choice, which didn't qualify for the credit, was interestingly cheaper than comparable cars that did. Seemed about one tax credit cheaper for some reason. Could be a coincidence.
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I think I'm seeing more and more EVs in my city as time goes on. EVs get a special plate so it's easy to see. Demand is increasing. We use Ford Lightnings at work, and guys in other trades seem envious. Another example, the mustang EV outsold the gas powered this year. I think that trend will continue.
Nice! Color me jealous, I drive an ICE truck, I test-drove a Lightning, it was very nice.
Rn, I think it's something like 8% of new vehicle registrations per year are EVs. It's about double that in Europe, and triple that in China (14% and 25%, I think).
So, growing, but if it grows much slower, we'll be at the back of the pack, and I think being in the lead on this will keep our auto industry competitive for global exports, which are a big chunk of our export economy.
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Unless one's goal is weakening the US in the world, in which case more chaos, and destruction works great.
It is honestly hard to see what the strategy is. It's tough when you squint at the administration and wonder how an adversary-backed Manchurian Candidate type might do things differently, and you come up mostly dry.
Not when you finally realize there exists no strategy apart from transferring as much wealth as possible from the plebes to the Robber Barons...
Everything MAGAts do is either in furtherance of that goal, or a distraction from that goal.
In this case, it's for the benefit of fossil fuel related Robber Barons. 🤷♂️ 🤦♀️
plus just ending the subsidies in general, no doubt to float more tax reductions next year.
I think that’s goal
7% of our exports are currently vehicles (about $145b annually), that will dwindle to nearly nothing as ICE vehicles become a legacy side-show to EVs and PHEVs :,|
That's to say nothing of serving our own market, and the pride of having Americans at work building brilliant and cutting edge things.
GUH, I GOTTA STOP READING THE NEWS.
I'm not big on the "we have to beat China" rhetoric, but it's like republican politicians wake up every morning and ask themselves "What can I do today to further Chinese dominance in the next century?"
It's almost like China and Russia worked to put them in those positions...
^--- Yeah, this.
For shame, OP, removing a key word in the title. When you posted this, and as I type this reply, this legislation has passed the house but not the senate. Whether or not it will is yet to be seen, but the tax credit is not yet set to expire.
(Lol, thanks for the downvote. Let me get you a full refund.)
First two sentences clear that up, don't you think? Here, I'll add the TL:DR to the article description above.
For the record, I didn’t download the article. I don’t particularly care if the body of the article “clears it up “. You removed a key word and that changes the title. And you know it.
I’m a comedian, we heckle back :) If you can’t read 2 sentences deep, I really don’t give a fuck what you think
OK, let me ask more pointedly. For what reason did you choose to remove that one specific word? You didn’t just repost an article you saw, you saw the word likely and decided it didn’t belong. Why?
If it’s a “joke “I don’t get it.
You don't need to be a journalist to copy/paste a title verbatim
the tax credit didn't incentivize ANY EV, there were North America assembly standards that had to be met to qualify. so do you want manufacturing back in the US or not? make up your fuckin minds.
in the bigger picture, this ridiculous 4-year yoyo of legislating everything with simple majority budget bills is not sustainable. we can't build anything like this.
It's pretty clear that what they say they want, and what they are actually working towards are not the same.
That’s called lying.
I agree they have no legitimate plan and are just fumbling with a bunch of idiotic moves and call it governing, but I also agree with the other commentor that these credits aren't as great as people think because manufactures have time and time again raised prices by amounts equivalent to these credit amounts (like when Biden revamped the expiring credit system) so all we're really doing is subsidizing these major corporations with our tax dollars.
I'd think that tariffs driving up, among other things, battery prices probably won't help much either.
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This says that BEVs are more disadvantaged than ICEs by tariffs.
https://www.mitchell.com/insights/news-release/auto-physical-damage/strong-sales-new-battery-electric-vehicles-face-tariff
It's not gonna make a huge difference, they have been inflating msrp because of the rebates anyway. Now we will see the true cost of ev.
This was always my gripe with these credits. They were just a subsidy for car manufacturers and dealers. The consumer didn't save a penny.
Which caused the manufacturer to want to sell more and pivot to marketing and manufacturing them more as they had a bit of an extra margin.
It is what was and probably still is needed, tapering off is a better idea but America doesnt accept those.
My better half and I were actually discussing exactly this.
I'm shopping for an EV used, and magically, the price is exactly the same for EVs that are eligible for the credit and the ones that aren't.
The dealerships treat the rebate as basically a manufacturer spiff, I pay the same either way.
So yeah, I agree. Pulling all of them at once might cause some market disruption, though, and legacy autos are already not committed to EV transition, so it will worsen an already problematic tendency, I think.
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Ope, right you are. Tweaked it.
Let me guess this wont affect tesla
That's the rub, this legislation punches Tesla right in the nuts.
They wanted this when they were the top EV maker to impact their competition, but now I wonder if thats still the case
The tax credits are just a money grab for the manufacturers and dealers. If you do the math, a 68k loan with a 6-7% interest rate and the $7500 tax credit has the same total cost as no tax credit and a 0.99% rate. That's why they always offer "manufacturer incentives" with $0 due at signing or those 0-2% loans, but almost never both.
It really depends on if you have good credit or not to make the tax credit a good deal.
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Are you referring to taxes aimed at funding road repairs that is currently accounted for in gas taxes?