Alphapuggle PieFedEU prepares to give US direct access to police and immigration databases
www.statewatch.org/news/2025/august/eu-prepares…
The EU is planning to strike a deal with the US that would let the Department of Homeland Security and other agencies search European databases to identify people posing “a threat to US security,” according to a proposal published by the European Commission at the end of July.
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katy ✨fucking christ why
EU has some weak pathetic leaders, but this is a new low, even for them. Bending the knee to the orange pedo is a very weak move.
تحريرها كلها ممكنTrump is European, specifically German, so it is no surprise
I'm not covering for Trump or downplaying his border fascism but the document indicates this is in response to a requirement for the US Waiver Program that was drawn up in 2022... when Biden was president.
14 eyes is bullshit and this is also bullshit, yet the populations in Europe stare indifferently like cattle on a farm and do not contest it. it's especially laughable considering the recent push for "sovereignty" in many states...
How do you know what people contest or not? Its not like of all the major world powers or trading blocs that we are the ones falling into fascism so lets keep the hyperbole about simple minded easily controlled populations sleepwalking into authoritarianism to a minimum.
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austerity never begets prosperity. all it really does is temporarily paper over the losses of a waning empire. then you run out of labor to extract and shit hits the fan.
I am not an expert of EU law, what does a "proposal" actually mean? What is the journey from this document to it actually happening and what recourse do citizens have, if any? And why am I the first fucking person asking this question?
In 2022, the United States of America (US) introduced a new requirement for all countries that have been admitted to or aspire to join the U.S. Visa Waiver Program (VWP). This program enables citizens of participating countries to travel to the US visa-free for a maximum of 90 days for the purposes of tourism or business. The new requirement entails the conclusion of an “Enhanced Border Security Partnership” (EBSP) with the US Department of Homeland Security (DHS) as a condition for admission to, and further participation in, the VWP, as a component of the already existing traveller information exchange requirement.
So the Biden admin got the ball rolling on this? I'm not surprised but I am perpetually disgusted that Democrats have gotten more fashy about the border than the fucking Bush administration was.
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MattJust kick those Danes out of the Parliament. They're repeatedly shooting themselves in the foot.
Specifics matter. I would be fine with an endpoint that given the passport/id card allows to do a basic check for any severe offenses - as often performed for childcare jobs, too.
Anything beyond that sounds bad.
Why? Who cares about "offenses" of a random traveler. Why do you trust an international crime db to be accurate?
In theory not sth. bad. But I have a hard time to imagine the current USA government using that data for the supposed reason.
Even if you pretend that only the Republicans are bad this is still bad in theory because they win half of the time
This is going to be like the local Chinese police in North America, that hunt down former Chinese citizens and Chinese vistors that have disparaging the glorious nation.
__反いじめ戦隊I’m not comprehending why EU is doing this too. I can comprehend the Maoist 🇺🇲 doing this, but not Europe.
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"Posing a threat to US security"
Me a socialist: hahaha im in danger (again)!
This together with German politicians wanting to have a list of all transgender people that change their name is really cool! Awesome! I love it!
Wouldn't you already have that for when anyone changes their name?
Only under special circumstances are they allowed to access this information. There is not one big database for every federal agency to browse through willy nilly.
You can't really change your name in germany just like that. The only other reason to do so that I know of is getting married and then it's just the last name.
Wrong, we just had a new legislation installed that allowed for easier name and gender changes. It's called Selbstbestimmungsgesetz
Sigh... you might wanna read the whole comment chain. The last comment was about changing your name outside of being trans.
The previous commenter was not asking about anything but trans though. And it doesn't really matter anyways because you can change your name for other reasons as well.
No, they were asking for "anyone who changes their name". And yes there are a few specific reasons when you are able to change your name but not, like I said, just like that.
Why are your comments smelling like "Uhm Aktschually" from reddit?
Collaborator scum.
Literal treason. When are we going to learn that we live in capitalist dictatorships and our governments are not like us?
I see it more like a defensive thing for Europeans in the States. An effort to assure safety from being wrongly accused or detained. It gives these people clear legal grounds if/when US immigration does it's thing. It is hard to get away with their bullshit when they are provided a channel of transparency. They would have to willfully ignore something that is so blatant. If they do, their mallace is even more exposed.
Should it have ever come to this? Of course not. But stations like that were passed long ago and the train isn't stopping.
What about we start treating the US as we treat North Korea and people that travel there do it at their own risk, instead of exposing everyone to the American Gestapo?
It'll get there t this rate. But not quite yet. That sort of action happens about two years too late, so we have about five to go.
Fuck that if America needs they just put a warning. If people want to travel it is their fault.
FUCK THAT, THIS IS ILLEGAL
Whatever the possibly good, but probably bad, intentions there are to this decision, it's still courting disaster.
Let's say your neighbor beats half of their kids and all of their kids' friends. And this neighbor is not shy about it; in fact, they publicly brag about this. And let's say that they tell you that your kids should come over to play some video games, but that you need to introduce your kids to them first, so that they don't accidentally beat your kids.
You know what you do in that situation? You don't let your kids visit the fucking child-abuse house!
Don't let your government share your data with us. We're definitely going to abuse your data, and we're still gonna arrest you when you visit. We're holding a burning fuse in our closed fist—don't get closer to see if we're gonna blow our hand off. Run away as fast as you can before you get our mess on yourself.
Excuse le fucking moi?!?!
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So you believe in the sincerity of US intelligence agencies, that even if they have access to everybody's police record they're gonna limit the surveiling to the ones with a plane ticket already bought? History tells a very different story.
Does the linked proposal say that the US intelligence agencies get access to everybody's record, or just to the ones with a plane ticket?
The US police could easily falsify a ticket or just say, I want to immigrate from a neighbouring country if I travel to Mexico for example. But more likely, they get full access and then when it gets out, that they copied it fully, everybody involved will try and make their best Pikachu face.
I think it's pretty obvious. There is no such thing as a database of people with a US plane ticket and the article refers to direct access rather than request to access policy. Direct access then technically includes the whole database, even if the surveiling pretext is certain kind of US travelers.
I think this just gives them the right to request a certain person’s information, not just read it all
How is it misleading? That's what I read in the article. And that's probably actually "Millions of innocent Europeans in police databases". These are not exclusive affirmations?
A quick search tells me just about 2 million Germans visited USA in 2024. Which is actually much more than I expected.
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Most EU countries already participate in the Visa Waiver Program. This agreement is about extending it to 3 more countries in the union and ...
... extend the content of exchanged data. So, yes, the article is right?
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That's true. The title might lead to think of a generalised access. The data exchange is not defined yet, and that is the work to be done as stated in the paper you linked.
Annex, point 3:
Yeah, never heard that one before a country wide surveillance database was generated.
When the government, especially the USA, and surveillance is concerned,I expect worst results instead of good faith.
What, the, fuck.
What's happening with european leaders, they keep giving everything to america.